If heaven and hell aren’t about the afterlife, then what is salvation really about? Plus, Bishop Carlton Pearson from the Netflix biopic Come Sunday is our HOTW.

Show Notes

  • 00:20 – Introduction and a word from show sponsor, Unfundamentalists.
  • 01:50 – Patreon page and extra content.
  • 04:23 – The guys discuss the rumor of a hotline.
  • 05:17 – Text to the hotline: “To misunderstand a little less completely” –C.S. Lewis.
  • 06:37 – Message to the hotline: Everyone is welcome to communion. Everyone is welcome at Jesus’s table.
  • 07:38 – Discussion on radical inclusivity. Are people more important than beliefs?
  • 09:25 – What if your humanity qualifies your place at the table?
  • 12:37 – Heretic Happy Hour website. Download the drinking game.
  • 13:35 – Heretic of the Week special guest Carlton Pearson. “Just call me son of a Bishop.”
  • 14:00 – Carlton Pearson’s movie on Netflix.
  • 14:50 – Not only Christians will be in heaven.
  • 17:00 – Carlton discusses his life story and deconstruction of hell.
  • 18:00 – Is God schizophrenic? How can mercy and hatred endure forever?
  • 20:25 – Carlton tells the story of hearing God speak.
  • 21:57 – “How can you take these people to hell” “Is that what you think we’re doing?”
  • 25:38 – Faith is for people who doubt.
  • 28:00 – Billy Graham, “I think haven’t convinced people that God loves them.”
  • 29:42 – How could a loving God even conceive of hell?
  • 30:54 – The cost of Carlton speaking publicly about his ideas about hell. The church is on the wrong side of history.
  • 31:48 – “I don’t believe the Bible is the inspired word of God.” (Forward all angry letters to Carlton)
  • 32:57 – God dwells as us.
  • 33:26 – Self-actualization. We are creators.
  • 35:30 – Prayer and medicine.
  • 36:20 – Not feeling sinful because we are humans.
  • 37:50 – Jesus was a metaphysician.
  • 38:27 – Christianity is a compilation of myths and traditions over the centuries.
  • 40:00 – God enlightens people to this very day.
  • 42:00 – What if you entered a pre-incarnate covenant to experience your divinity?
  • 44:50 – End of interview with Carlton Pearson.
  • 45:12 – Discussion on Carlton’s film, Come Sunday, on Netflix and Matthew’s absence in the interview.
  • 48:15 – Salvation and what it means to be saved.
  • 49:02 – Maybe the statements about salvation is not about where we go when we die.
  • 50:48 – Everyone is already saved whether you know it or not.
  • 51:19 – Salvation is life. What does it mean to truly live?
  • 53:15 – God has come to save us from suffering.
  • 54:16 – “Sozo” means to be made whole or to be healed.
  • 56:45 – The kind of life Jesus came to bring is God-like life.
  • 1:00:00 – Death is losing the awareness of the divine life.
  • 1:04:45 – Jewish mindsets and looking for a kingdom. Jesus came to demonstrate God is with us.
  • 1:08:30 – The non-violent Messiah
  • 1:09:45 – Every knee will bow and gladly confess.
  • 1:11:45 – The last Adam. Mirror images of the Divine.
  • 1:13:25 – Knowing that we’re loved and accepted by God removes the state of suffering.
  • 1:15:00 – We’re all in Adam. Are we not all in Christ? What it means that Jesus is Lord.
  • 1:20:00 – Jamal discusses the rumor of a hotline.
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